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Launching of applications is extremely slow

Hi

I use a iMac 18.2 2017 but bought new 2019.

It replaced an old MAC-MINI 2010 and was created from a backup of the same.

Since new, opening apps has been very very slow.

Observing the hypnosis circle :) for 30-80 seconds and it happens to all apps, regardless.

Could be Safari, MS Word, Spotify, Keynote, Pictures even the settings app, or actually any app. (But, the more complex the app is the longer it takes)


Important: Once app has launched and opened; writing, editing, searches, view pics etc is as speedy as expected from a new Mac system. Even waking up an active app is normally fast.

Cashing problem?


What can I look for?

Any hints will be highly appreciated


Take care out there and stay healthy!



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iMac 21.5" 4K, macOS 10.15

Posted on Apr 5, 2020 2:21 AM

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Posted on Apr 5, 2020 5:53 AM

Hey, bootheflyer, if it turns out that the Community's answer is to go to a faster boot drive, it's a dilemma I faced last year. My 2013 iMac was slowing down, and I didn't want to spend the money to upgrade the internal drive on a machine I'm likely to replace soon anyway.


Instead, I purchased a 4-bay SATA thunderbolt 3 box, installed a new, SATA SSD as my (external) boot drive, and also transferred the two USB 2.0 external drives I was using and moved them into this box (literally just ripped the HDD's out of their individual enclosures). Even though my iMac is only Thunderbolt 1, it supports up to 2 channels @ 10 gbs, which is still faster than SATA (max 6 bps per drive). Your' iMac supports Thunderbolt 3, so it's up to 40gbs.


Anyway, saw immediate improvement in boot time with the SSD. Also, the conventional HDD's are much faster than they were with the USB 2.0 connector.


I figure when I get my new iMac, I'll start booting again from the internal drive, and can migrate this box over as my collection of external storage. I feel like I added 2 years to the life of my current iMac, maybe longer. The 4-bay box wasn't cheap, but I expect to use it for many years, so I don't mind.


Just a thought. Good luck speeding up your system.



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Apr 5, 2020 5:53 AM in response to SeaPapp

Hey, bootheflyer, if it turns out that the Community's answer is to go to a faster boot drive, it's a dilemma I faced last year. My 2013 iMac was slowing down, and I didn't want to spend the money to upgrade the internal drive on a machine I'm likely to replace soon anyway.


Instead, I purchased a 4-bay SATA thunderbolt 3 box, installed a new, SATA SSD as my (external) boot drive, and also transferred the two USB 2.0 external drives I was using and moved them into this box (literally just ripped the HDD's out of their individual enclosures). Even though my iMac is only Thunderbolt 1, it supports up to 2 channels @ 10 gbs, which is still faster than SATA (max 6 bps per drive). Your' iMac supports Thunderbolt 3, so it's up to 40gbs.


Anyway, saw immediate improvement in boot time with the SSD. Also, the conventional HDD's are much faster than they were with the USB 2.0 connector.


I figure when I get my new iMac, I'll start booting again from the internal drive, and can migrate this box over as my collection of external storage. I feel like I added 2 years to the life of my current iMac, maybe longer. The 4-bay box wasn't cheap, but I expect to use it for many years, so I don't mind.


Just a thought. Good luck speeding up your system.



Apr 5, 2020 4:00 AM in response to bootheflyer

Your new iMac, like your old mini, likely uses a dog slow 5400 rpm spinning hard drive. There are work arounds if that is indeed the problem but it would be helpful if you would run and post an etrecheck report http://www.etresoft.com/etrecheck

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Apr 6, 2020 4:11 PM in response to bootheflyer

bootheflyer,


I don't blame you for not trying to upgrade the internal drive in your iMac yourself. I looked at all of those videos myself and came to the same conclusion: I worried that in an effort to save money I could brick my machine.


Personally, I would strongly recommend that you consider installing a PCIE external SSD connected via Thunderbolt 3. Why?


If you upgrade internally, the speed of your SSD will be limited by the iMac's SATA III interface to 6 Gbps. Don't get me wrong, the SSD will still be much faster than the 5400 RPM HDD of your current drive, but it's probably not the fastest solution.


A PCIe 3.0x16 interface can have link speeds of to 16 Gbps (i.e. nearly 3x as fast as SATA III limit of your internal drive). The Thunderbolt 3 external interface can deliver it at full speed to your computer.


A PCIE SSD will be pricier than a comparable SATA SSD, depending on the size, roughly $100 more for a TB, last time I looked.


You'll need to buy a Thunderbolt 3 expansion solution. Here's the first one I found that looked like it might solve your problem (you need to do your own research). It's $230:


https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/HELIOS3S/


Note that you will read in some places that Thunderbolt 3 and USB 3.1 are the same thing. They use the same physical connector, but USB 3.1 is much slower; Thunderbolt 3 is much faster, up to 40 Gbps (and much more expensive).


So here's a way to think about it:


  • If you pay for an internal upgrade, you'll be supporting your local shop (always a good thing if they're good at what they do), but you'll probably pay a chunk of change for their labor to open up and close your iMac. The drive will be way faster than your current one, but not the fastest.
  • PCIE will be the faster drive, but you'll need to purchase an expansion box and pay a bit more for the drive compared to the same capacity SATA drive. On the other hand, if you're at all handy with a screwdriver, you can assemble this yourself, so you'll be saving the cost of having the dealer open up your iMac.


Note, if you do go the PCIE/Thunderbolt 3 solution, you'll want to make the SSD your boot drive, but your current HDD will stay inside. You can either reformat it after you migrate to the SSD to use as an auxiliary drive, or keep it as an optional boot drive with an older OS (e.g. if you're on Catalina, but still need to run 32 bit software occasionally).


OWC is a good company with lots of Mac-specific support. You can certainly assemble an external PCIE solution from what they have to offer. If you want to support this dealer, you can also see if they can supply the parts you need.


Anyway, I hope this is helpful. Good luck!

Apr 6, 2020 7:10 AM in response to mgincnj

Thanks Mike for you good reply. Just surprised that this rather new iMAC is already outdated on HW..

Etresoft did not point at a certain direction mere than this app was as slow as the others starting up..


But spoke with a local shop servicing MACs and they can help me upgrade to SSD and add RAM.

I think I am going for that if they make a sensible offer. Saw some DIY on Youtube I don't like to open it myself :)


Do you know if this iMac holds two HD bays as my 2011 old Minimac did? (Then a small SSD for System would suffice.)


Thanks to all! Keep well and dodge Viruses!


Launching of applications is extremely slow

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