macOS Sonoma 14.6, Time Machine re-backing up entire Photos Library frequently

I store my Photos Library on an external 2TB Thunderbolt SSD. I did so following Apple's instructions here: Move your Photos library to save space on your Mac - Apple Support. When using Time Machine to backup my Mac Studio Time Machine often re-backs up my entire Photos Library of 945GB of photos and everything else in the Pictures folder (another 500GB). Why is Time Machine doing this? I also have "Ignore ownership on this volume" checked on as mentioned in the Apple Support document.


Why is Time Machine re-backing up everything seemingly on a regular basis?

Mac Studio, macOS 14.6

Posted on Aug 7, 2024 11:26 AM

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Posted on Oct 27, 2024 11:09 AM

You should remove the Adware you installed. I'm pretty sure EtreCheck can help with that. But, I doubt that is your problem.

The most likely problems are caused by all of the junk ware you have installed to "maintain" your Mac. macOS doesn't need any maintenance and any software that purports to do so will just wreck the system.

Everything that purports to clean, optimize, protect, monitor, or otherwise maintain your Mac will only serve to cause problems, perhaps the one you are currently experiencing with Time Machine.

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Oct 27, 2024 11:09 AM in response to Ken Shimabukuro

You should remove the Adware you installed. I'm pretty sure EtreCheck can help with that. But, I doubt that is your problem.

The most likely problems are caused by all of the junk ware you have installed to "maintain" your Mac. macOS doesn't need any maintenance and any software that purports to do so will just wreck the system.

Everything that purports to clean, optimize, protect, monitor, or otherwise maintain your Mac will only serve to cause problems, perhaps the one you are currently experiencing with Time Machine.

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Oct 26, 2024 6:30 PM in response to Ken Shimabukuro

Your Etrecheck report shows some oddities which I will point out but I do not fully understand:


  • Mac performance is "below average." Something is bogging down the system, even Etrecheck took a long time to run.
  • You have adware on your Mac.

Adware:

Launchd: ~/Library/LaunchAgents/com.appcart.AppCart.plist

Reason: Adware pattern match

Executable: ~/Library/Application Support/AppPolicy/AppCart

This could be related because adware sometimes writes files in various places, if it writes files on your drive with the Photos Library that could look like a modification which would mean Time Machine tries to back it up

  • You have 13 (!!!) drives mounted.
  • You have a Fusion drive in use, but it does not appear to be your boot drive???

disk3s1 - Macintosh HD [Fusion Drive] 2.00 TB (619.03 GB free)

APFS Mount point: /private/tmp/msu-target-ZanwC14d

I also don't understand the mount point. How have you set this up?

  • I don't understand this:

System Software:

10.19.6 10.19.6 (23G93)

What MacOS are you running (version 10.19.6 what is that?) and from which drive?

  • You have a utility called KeepDriveSpinning in use. My understanding of how these programs work is that they write small files onto the drives and keep the drive busy in that way. This could make it look like the volume where you large Photos Library is stored is modified when it really wasn't, triggering backups you don't need.


>>> Is this happening? I don't know. But I would start by uninstalling a lot of the many background tasks you have going to try to clean up the system. Etrecheck did say this: System modifications - There are a large number of system modifications running in the background. Low performance - EtreCheck report took over 5 minutes to run. This is unusual.


  • What is this, is it some kind of security software tool? These are not advised, they often conflict ...

Launchd: /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.bresink.system.securityagent.plist

Executable: /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/com.bresink.system.securityagent

  • VPN is running, these are known to interfere with some MacOS processes
  • Tunnelbear, another VPN is running
  • Norton appears to be on this Mac, known to cause many MacOS anomalies
  • Little Snitch is also there, also known to cause off behaviors
  • You have an OlympusSSD driver, external drive tools and drivers are know to conflict with MacOS, could this be making small changes to your external drive(s) causing unnecessary backups to take place?
  • Seagate toolkit also on this Mac, see previous comment, these utilities and drivers are known to be problematic, best to use external drives without them
  • You are running Cocktail? Also a system modification, suspect ...


You have so many kexts and system modifications that I can't even go through them all. I suspect that the volume being backed up repeatedly is having files constantly written to it (I have pointed to some suspects above) and hence Time Machine things the whole volume is modified and needs backing up.


Frankly, I might consider making two verified backups and then wiping the system, doing a fresh install, then migrating your account and files only, then installing fresh only necessary apps.


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Oct 27, 2024 11:04 AM in response to VikingOSX

VikingOSX wrote:

The Photos Library is a single package folder (that appears as a file) in your Pictures folder. Add, remove, or change one photo in it and that satisfies Time Machine's criteria that the Photos Library has changed and needs to be backed up. If it were a regular folder then only what changed would get backed up by Time Machine and not the whole folder.

My Time Machine doesn't re-backup the entire library, ever. Time Machine doesn't treat packages that way.

My Photos Library is around 48GB. Time Machine backed up this morning at 0530. I edited a numbers document and added some small videos to my Documents. I added a small image file to Photos. The backup ran, found about 1,000 items to backup, and copied about 2GB of data.

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Sep 17, 2024 9:20 AM in response to Ken Shimabukuro

I'm fairly sure I've fixed my Sonoma Time Machine issues. Instead of installing the incremental macOS Sonoma 14.6.1 update I downloaded the full macOS Sonoma 14.6.1 installer (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/macos-sonoma/id6450717509?mt=12) and installed that over macOS Sonoma 14.6. Since then Time Machine has stopped re-backing up my entire 1.45TB Pictures folder often.

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Oct 26, 2024 9:22 AM in response to Ken Shimabukuro

Ken Shimabukuro wrote:

I know Time Machine is *supposed* to make incremental backups. What I'm saying is that it's not. For example right now Time Machine has backed up over 860GB of data, 92.8% done, 2 hours remains whereas 7 hours ago Time Machine said "About 20 minutes remaining." There is absolutely no way 860+ GB of data changed since the last backup completed last night.

Your previous post last month indicated that the issues were "fixed" but now the problem is back? If so, download and run the diagnostic Etrecheck. It is free and produces a report showing what is installed and running without revealing any personal information. I believe something installed is modifying the file system on the external drive and that tells Time Machine something changed and to back it up again. See this link for how to post the Etrecheck report.


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Dec 9, 2024 12:57 PM in response to Ken Shimabukuro

I upgraded my 2021 16-in MBP M1 Pro (32 GB) from Ventura 13.7.1 to Sonoma v14.7.1. I have now tried two SSDs and a boat anchor rotational drive attempting a first backup in Time Machine and all external drives ceased writing at 52.70 GB at 30% completion.

  1. Crucial X9 2TB USB-C 3.2 Gen2
  2. Crucial X9 Pro 2TB USC-C 3.2 Gen2
  3. Brand-x 3TB rotational drive USC-A 3.0


There are no errors or sudden drive ejects. The backup process just freezes and does not resume after a half-hour.


All drives were erased and formatted as APFS without EFI partitions. I even changed the USB-C cable on the Crucial drives to a longer previous Crucial cable without success. On additional erases and redo, I even tried a different USB-C port on the Mac with the same frozen backup outcome.


Throughout the entire Ventura update cycle, the Crucial X8 drive worked flawlessly. I have an M4 Mac Mini Pro (64GB) using a Crucial X9 SSD which has worked flawlessly with Sequoia v15 and later.


Initially, I thought this to be a bad batch of Crucial drives (I have seven others past and present used for Time Machine without issues), but the freeze on the rotational drive leads me to suspect an issue with Sonoma on this hardware, or the Mac itself. It has been flawless in operation since purchase.


The next steps will be to wait for the next Sonoma point update to see if there was a bug in the Sonoma Time Machine when running on this M1 hardware. If the problem reoccurs, then I will just upgrade to Sequoia and hope that resolves it.

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Aug 7, 2024 4:27 PM in response to muguy

Before I upgraded to this new 2023 Mac Studio, Time Machine on my mid-2011 iMac running macOS High Sierra had been working normally only backing up files that had changed since the previous backup. Now with this Mac Studio running Sonoma Time Machine has been re-backing up all or almost all of my Pictures folder often. I use BackupLoupe to see what Time Machine has backed up. It has re-backed up the contents of my Pictures folder ever since upgrading to macOS Sonoma.

1.2TB on December 06, 2023,

1.23TB on December 20, 2023,

2.1TB on February 6th, 2024,

1.33TB February 23rd, 2024,

2.11TB February 24th, 2024,

1.26TB February 27th, 2024,

1.26TB Februrary 28th, 2024,

1.26TB March 1st, 2024,

1.38TB May 10th, 2024,

1.39TB June 1st, 2024,

2.18TB June 9th, 2024,

1.29TB June 11th, 2024,

1.29TB June 13th, 2024,

1.31TB June 16th, 2024,

2.21TB July 16th, 2024,

1.4TB August 4th, 2024.


Because Time Machine has been backing up so much each time it's been deleting old backups to make room for the new such that my oldest backup is only 3 weeks old.

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Aug 7, 2024 3:59 PM in response to muguy

It's not backing up everything. Right this minute Time Machine is in the process of doing a backup and is at '66.0% done - About 5 hours remaining 1.25 TB copied'. I'm assuming it's going to re-backup my entire Pictures folder (1.44TB) and part of the contents of Macintosh HD. There is no way all of that data changed since the last backup an hour before this latest backup started this morning at 6:22AM. (It is now 3:59PM).

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Aug 7, 2024 8:33 PM in response to Ken Shimabukuro

It is now 8:30PM, 4 and a half hours after my previous post and Time Machine is at 1.71TB copied, 78.9% done, "About 4 hours remaining". Time Machine *should* be copying only the small number of files that changed, but at 1.71TB that's my entire Pictures folder and more.

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Oct 25, 2024 2:19 PM in response to muguy

I know Time Machine is *supposed* to make incremental backups. What I'm saying is that it's not. For example right now Time Machine has backed up over 860GB of data, 92.8% done, 2 hours remains whereas 7 hours ago Time Machine said "About 20 minutes remaining." There is absolutely no way 860+ GB of data changed since the last backup completed last night.

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Oct 26, 2024 7:10 PM in response to Ken Shimabukuro

P.S. There are other oddities in the Etrecheck Report:


Hardware Information:

Mac Model: Mac14,13

(%@) CPU: %@-core

RAM - Not upgradeable


Video Information:

Apple M2 Max

LEN T32p-20 3840 x 2160

P27q-20 2560 x 1440


What kind of Mac is this? Model, year, how much RAM? This report seems corrupted in some way.


Are you booting from an internal drive, an external drive?

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Oct 26, 2024 9:07 PM in response to Ken Shimabukuro

How often do you back up? I was wondering before you posted the EtreCheck report and it shows you have turned off automatic backups.


There is a length of time between backups where it cannot do an incremental backup. Is it making a full backup of anything else?


macOS tracks file system events in a database. Those events are what is used to determine what has changed.

That database seems to only go back a couple of weeks. When you run out of valid change data, it does a full backup.

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Oct 27, 2024 10:51 AM in response to Ken Shimabukuro

The Photos Library is a single package folder (that appears as a file) in your Pictures folder. Add, remove, or change one photo in it and that satisfies Time Machine's criteria that the Photos Library has changed and needs to be backed up. If it were a regular folder then only what changed would get backed up by Time Machine and not the whole folder.

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