Numbers lives in the shade of Excel.

I recently cancelled my subscription to Microsoft Excel due to the exorbitant price increase. However although there are positives to using Numbers it still lags way behind Excel. Two particular aspects have come to liht immediately.

  1. Data Sorting. In Excel you can highlight a single column of numbers and go to Data and sort easily. In Numbers you can't do this which seems absolutely basic? When you try to it sorts data on either side of it too which wasn't wanted.
  2. In Excel you can highlight a row or column press Command and pick multiple locations to paste to which has do be done individually in Numbers.
  3. I highlight particular cells using the colour palette in Excel. In Numbers this palette is unavailable to the same extent.
  4. These are just the deficiencies discovered thus far. Apple needs to do some major work on Numbers to make it a viable and useable alternative to Excel.

Posted on Apr 1, 2025 7:28 AM

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Apr 1, 2025 12:14 PM in response to j.a.hepburn

First of all, Excel is not Numbers, and Numbers is not Excel.


There are some fundamental differences in approaches that mean things don't always work the same way you expect them to, but investing a little time in understanding these will save you time (and money!) in the long run.


> Data Sorting. In Excel you can highlight a single column of numbers and go to Data and sort easily. In Numbers you can't do this which seems absolutely basic? When you try to it sorts data on either side of it too which wasn't wanted.


This is one of the key differences between Numbers and Excel.

Excel is monolithic - each sheet is a single range of (potentially) millions of cells. All cells share the same row/column space.

Numbers adds one extra layer, in that a sheet contains one or more tables, where each table is distinct (has its own row/column addressing scheme).


Now, most of the time we don't deal with thousands of columns of data, and millions of rows, so most Excel users get around this by logically breaking the sheet into sections, just moving off screen to hide. Some of this is a hangover from a time before Excel supported multiple worksheets in a single document, but it's pervasive.


When you have a single sheet in multiple logical chunks, it makes sense that you would want (nay, need) the ability to sort separate chunks independently.


However, in Numbers' model, all the data in a given table is expected to be related, and therefore you absolutely want to maintain row-level integrity when you sort.


Consider the following Transaction data (taken from Numbers' Personal Budget template):



Now, if I were to sort this by category (column C) it's critical that all the other columns in this table follow suit, otherwise I'm losing which transactions occurred on each day, and the first 'Groceries' transaction would appear in the 'Auto' category, which is fundamentally wrong.


Now, in Excel, you may have additional non-related data over in columns X, Y, Z that you absolutely don't want to sort with these transactions, and THAT is why you need to be specific about which columns you want to sort in Excel. In this example, there is NEVER a case where columns A, B, C, and D should be sorted independently from each other, but you do want them separate from X, Y, and Z.


The Numbers' approach would be to put those X, Y and Z columns in a different table (even if on the same sheet). Now you can sort this transaction table at will, knowing that the other table is immune to any changes.

It's really quite useful once you get to understand it.


> In Excel you can highlight a row or column press Command and pick multiple locations to paste to which has do be done individually in Numbers.


I'm not sure what you mean here. In Numbers, I can absolutely select a cell/range/column and copy it, then select some other cells/ranges/columns, using Command-click to select discontiguous areas, then paste and the copied data is filled in just like I'd expect.


Here, I made a little movie to show:



So I'm not sure what's not working for you.


> I highlight particular cells using the colour palette in Excel. In Numbers this palette is unavailable to the same extent.


Need a little more information here as to what you're missing.


I think both Excel and Numbers have pretty similar tools for basic cell coloring. Excel puts it in the ribbon, Numbers in the Inspector. Excel has a better concept of palettes with complimentary colors, so there is that, but Numbers adds support for complex color gradients in-cell and images, while Excel does better for heat-mapping. Without knowing what features you're looking for, it's hard to know what to advise here.


At the end of the day the apps are not the same. They're both spreadsheets, but they have different background and target audiences. There's going to be some learning curve in switching between them (either way), but you're always welcome to provide feedback if there's something you feel worth raising: Feedback - Numbers - Apple



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Apr 1, 2025 12:20 PM in response to j.a.hepburn

We're your fellow users here. You can give feedback to Apple via Numbers > Provider Numbers Feedback in the menu.


FWIW, I have used Excel and Numbers extensively. I don't miss the features you mention in your post.


If you haven't done so already, be sure to have at look at Help > Numbers Help in the menu.


And study the templates at File > New.


These will quickly give you an idea of some of the main differences between Numbers and Excel.


As you point out, Numbers does not have all the features of Excel. For many projects I have found that can be a good thing.


The ability to have multiple tables on the same sheet in Numbers, each with its own grid of cells, makes it easy to do some things that would be much harder to do in Excel. Try, for example, replicating the 'Calendar' template in Excel.


Keep in mind that Numbers treats dates differently from Excel. It has a Duration data format, which simplifies date math.


SG

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Apr 1, 2025 6:03 PM in response to j.a.hepburn

You can buy Microsoft Home Office for $149 and get Word, Excel, and Powerpoint. It is not a subscription, it is a one-time "purchase". It may be a version behind the latest and it will never upgrade like 365, but you do get patches and updates. You supposedly "own" it but it is possible it has to periodically connect to the mothership to keep it from going into read-only mode. I'm not 100% sure about that but mine did that once and connecting brought it back.

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Apr 2, 2025 6:57 AM in response to j.a.hepburn

If you are familiar with modern Excel then you will find the sort behavior in Numbers is identical to the sort behavior in Excel tables: sort by one column in the table (via dropdown by the column header) and the other columns automatically sort along with it.


In Numbers don't have one big grid of cells the way you might in an Excel worksheet.


In Numbers break your work up into separate tables (on the same sheet if you wish).


SG


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Numbers lives in the shade of Excel.

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