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Gmail and Apple Mail problems

I have a Mac Mini running Catalina 10.15.5. I use Mac Mail 13.4. I also have a Gmail account, which I generally access via Mac Mail, so my several email accounts are accessed in one place.


Recently my Gmail has been acting up. I only mention it here because some discussion on the Gmail forum suggests that these problems arise with Mac Mail (they say on Mojave). So I thought I raise it here in case anyone has had similar experience and can advise me please.


Gmail should send incoming emails to either its Inbox or its Spam folder. But some emails, including some that are most important to me, just end up in the Archive "All Mail" where they can be easily missed. A Gmail "expert" concluded, after looking at other people with a similar problem, that the interface with Mac Mail was causing the problem, though it is a mystery to me how this would be. (But then, many things are mysteries to me! :) )


Does anyone have any suggestions please? Thanks.

Posted on Aug 3, 2020 11:40 PM

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Posted on Aug 4, 2020 10:16 PM

Did this issue happen after any event in particular? (E.g. update, an installation, account change)? But worked normally before? And just to confirm, in Apple Mail, your other email accounts work normally, is that right? What do you see in Mail > Preferences > Accounts > Mailbox Behaviors, for Gmail? Also in Mail Preferences, are there any local “Rules” set up there to change the mailbox behavior on your Mac? And finally, (If you have the time to do so), If you create a new Admin account on your Mac, sign into that, add your Gmail account, does the same behavior occur?

If you have an iPhone, does it act the same way as well? From what you said, the Gmail web site acts as you would normally expect it to is that right? Those answers may help to isolate a cause and effect and hopefully get a solution!

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Aug 4, 2020 10:16 PM in response to unkleE

Did this issue happen after any event in particular? (E.g. update, an installation, account change)? But worked normally before? And just to confirm, in Apple Mail, your other email accounts work normally, is that right? What do you see in Mail > Preferences > Accounts > Mailbox Behaviors, for Gmail? Also in Mail Preferences, are there any local “Rules” set up there to change the mailbox behavior on your Mac? And finally, (If you have the time to do so), If you create a new Admin account on your Mac, sign into that, add your Gmail account, does the same behavior occur?

If you have an iPhone, does it act the same way as well? From what you said, the Gmail web site acts as you would normally expect it to is that right? Those answers may help to isolate a cause and effect and hopefully get a solution!

Aug 3, 2020 11:54 PM in response to unkleE

Hey there! Maybe this post can help:


https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7949516


From what I understand myself, Archive was changed by Google to the All Mail folder, so All Mail is just an image of the original email, not a copy, from whatever location it really is.


Here’s another one that might explain it better than me as well:


https://support.cloudhq.net/what-is-gmail-all-mail-and-what-is-difference-between-inbox-and-all-mail/


Hops that helps! I do know there are a number of settings and configurations on Googles web site “labels etc”, that can be configured differently. If this isn’t the problem, and there’s a technical issue, that’s a different story, cheers!

Aug 4, 2020 1:03 AM in response to unkleE

Thanks, that WAS helpful, though it's only part way to solving my problem.


The first reference tells me how to stop "All Mail" showing in Mac Mail. I'm not sure if I want to do that or not, but it is helpful to know.


The second reference says that only non-archived incoming emails are in Gmail Inbox, so that emails in the various categories are not included in Gmail Inbox. If this were true, then it would explain my problem though it wouldn't solve it. It would mean I cannot see all Gmail in Mac Mail except via "All Mail", because Mac Mail doesn't show the categories. But I have plenty of emails in the category folders that are also in Inbox.


Also, I thought there was no mail in the categories, they are just tags. In which case where are the emails that are not in the Inbox or Spam?


Finally, I found this page which says: "As a user, you’re free to select one, a few or all of these categories. Gmail automatically adjusts to match your preferences and actions." But it doesn't say I can eliminate them completely. So it seems, so far, that no matter what I do, I can't see everything in my Gmail using Mac Mail, except via the All Mail/Archive folder, which is messy.


I'm wondering whether Google wants to discourage people reading Gmail in another Mail client? Certainly it seems I'm better not to have a hybrid system, but move to either all Gmail or all Apple Mail.


Interested in other people's comments please. Thanks.

Aug 5, 2020 3:40 AM in response to DiZoE

Hi DiZoe, thanks for your help again. I will try to answer your questions. (I just posted a long reply and this site wouldn't load it and I lost it :( )


<i>Did this issue happen after any event in particular? (E.g. update, an installation, account change)? But worked normally before? </i>

Not that I'm aware of. I first became aware of a problem of mail from my Wordpress site going to Spam. I have now solved that (I think) by getting my ISP to send Wordpress emails out under the ISP's SMTP. It was then that I noticed this issue of some incoming mail only appearing in All Mail. Just as was typing my previous reply, an email came in from my Wordpress and it didn't go to spam, but that was maybe because I have a rule to stop that. But it didn't appear anywhere else, just in All Mail. I think the two problems occurred at the same time but I can't be sure. I certainly only noticed them around the same time.


<i>And just to confirm, in Apple Mail, your other email accounts work normally, is that right?</i>

Yes, mostly. I currently have an issue with being unable to mail from my ISP's email accounts because of some server issue (the error message says "The server response was: SMTP-AUTH is not allowed on port 25" ) but I can send out on our other (shared) Mac without a problem (that Mac isn't connected to this Gmail account).


<i>What do you see in Mail > Preferences > Accounts > Mailbox Behaviors, for Gmail?</i>

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Email address: My nae and Gmail address

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Send large attachments with Mail Drop: Not ticked.


<i>Also in Mail Preferences, are there any local “Rules” set up there to change the mailbox behavior on your Mac?</i>

Rules for the three websites I manage, but none for Gmail.


<i>And finally, (If you have the time to do so), If you create a new Admin account on your Mac, sign into that, add your Gmail account, does the same behavior occur?</i>

I haven't done this for several reasons, but I will if it is necessary.


<i>If you have an iPhone, does it act the same way as well?</i>

I don't have an iPhone.


<i>From what you said, the Gmail web site acts as you would normally expect it to is that right?</i>

I think so. But since I usually access it via Mac Mail, I don't really know.


<i>Those answers may help to isolate a cause and effect and hopefully get a solution!</i>

I hope so. Thanks so much. I still think this may be a Gmail issue, so maybe I should go back to the Gmail forum? But I think I am getting a more thorough look from you than I might get there, so thanks again.

Aug 11, 2020 9:03 PM in response to unkleE

Hey again! No problem, hope it works out okay! If you have the time, let me know how it goes. I’m sure you’ve already checked out Google sites/support etc. Here’s a good article from them, that may explain some of their settings better than I can, (If that’s what’s going on):


https://support.google.com/mail/answer/118708?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en



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