How can I speak with a real person at Apple??

Well, we are your fellow end users, not Apple, and have no secret lists of numbers.

However, you might try this:

• Go to this Apple page :Official Apple Support
• Scroll to this section and click "Start Now":

That may offer you a phone option. Likely it will mean leaving your number and waiting fora call-back.

⚠️ BE CAREFUL where you find numbers. I could not find the second number you posted on the Apple site so web-searched it. It returned to a company in Phoenix AZ, not Apple. Other users report unsolicited spam calls fro that number alleging to be Apple that are not.

There are scams actively running where third-party service shops pay for ad placement on search engines that put their non-Apple number above Apple's. If you see a web result that says only "Apple Support" and a number, it could be one of those.

For numbers for ANY company, always get the number for the company's web site, not a search engine.

Hello ~ To add to *Allan Jones’* excellent post that second number is a fraudulent phone number. Many pose as Apple in order to scam your personal information.

~Katana-San~

If you want to call, this is Apple's support number: 800-275-2273.

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FYI, OP had that one originally but the Hosts deleted it as well when I reported the bogus number for removal.

I guess that was an "eradicate all" mission since that is their number.