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Finder Search not working plus Column view sooooo slow.

I realise I may never get to the bottom of these two problems but I have to try.


  1. On my iMac 3.8 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i7 80Gb memory (OS 15.0.1), for quite some time, a year or so maybe, the Finder search has not been working. I have gone through the popular re-indexing process several times but no fix. So I purchased Find Any File.
  2. I also have two external drives, one is a Samsung T7 SSD 1TB (Mac OS Extended) work drive and the other is a Time Machine small hard drive 2TB (APFS). I always use Column view and when in either Indesign, Illustrator, Photoshop or any app for that matter, it can take up to 25 seconds to navigate down into folders to find files, and never less than 5 seconds. Bearing in mind this is the T7 SSD this isn't right. I do get the spinning wheel while it sorts itself out.


I have found through elimination that unplugging the TM drive fixes it, but it's not ideal. The previous OS was no better. I am using the USB cables that came with the devices.

I realise there may be a lot to go through, but any suggestions would help very much.

Thank you.

iMac 27″, macOS 15.0

Posted on Oct 18, 2024 6:27 AM

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Oct 18, 2024 7:41 AM in response to Kryten602

If this doesn't work please let me know with further details. Thanks!


On the Mac in Sys Prefs>Spotlight>Search results, what all is checked?


Find Any File...


http://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/index.php


Hold Option or alt key when selecting Find to Find All.


How to rebuild the Spotlight index on your Mac

If searching your Mac doesn’t return expected results, rebuilding the Spotlight index might help.


  1. Choose Apple menu () > System Preferences, then click Spotlight.
  2. Click the Privacy tab.
  3. Drag the folder or disk that you want to index again to the list of locations that Spotlight is prevented from searching. Or click the Add (+) button and select the folder or disk to add.
  4. To add an item to the Privacy tab, you must have ownership permissions for that item. To learn about permissions, choose Help from the Finder menu bar, then search for “permissions.”
  5. From the same list of locations, select the folder or disk that you just added. Then click the Remove (–) button to remove it from the list.
  6. Quit System Preferences. Spotlight will reindex the contents of the folder or disk.


If still not working...


Safe Boot, (holding Shift key down at startup), does the problem occur in Safe Mode? Could take 10 minutes.


Safe mode attempts to repair Disks & clears lots of caches & loads safe Drivers, & prevents loading of 3rd party extensions, so if Safe Mode works try again in regular boot.


Manually Rebuilding Spotlight via Terminal

If the aforementioned Spotlight control panel approach doesn’t spur a reindexation of the drive, you may need to initiate it manually through the command line. Open Terminal and use the following command string to do so:


sudo mdutil -E /

This basically asks for temporary super user status, which is why Terminal may ask you for your password (it may not if you’ve used a sudo command recently or are already logged in as a super user or root. The command asks the unix tool mdutil to reindex the spotlight database for everything on the computer, including external drives, mounted disk images, etc. To re-index only for a specific drive, use the /Volumes path. For example, for an external drive named “MiniMe,” the command would look like this:


sudo mdutil -i on /


Rebuilding a drive index can take a long time, so be prepared to wait whether you do it through the System Preference panel or the command line.


If still need be…


Open Terminal and run each of these one at a time


/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Versions/A/Support/lsregister -kill -r -domain local -domain system -domain user


sudo /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Support/lsregister -kill -seed -lint -r -f -v -dump -domain local -domain system -domain user -domain network


killall Dock


sudo mdutil -E /


sudo mdutil -i on /


Rebuilding a drive index can take a long time, so be prepared to wait whether you do it through the System Preference panel or the command line.

Oct 18, 2024 10:28 AM in response to Kryten602

Hm... This is certainly getting pickier, a fresh OS should fix this but let's leave that as a last resort. I've been researching in the meantime and maybe this can help. If not, please reply with an update on what's happening.


  1. In Finder, click on Applications, then Utilities, and double-click Terminal.
  2. In the Terminal window, type the following command to list all connected drives and their identifiers: diskutil list
  3. Locate your Samsung T7 external drive in the list and note its identifier (e.g., disk2).
  4. To format the drive, type the following command, replacing "X" with the identifier noted in the previous step: sudo diskutil eraseDisk APFS "SamsungT7" GPT /dev/diskX.
    • This command will format the Samsung T7 drive as APFS with the name SamsungT7 and use the GUID Partition Table (GPT) scheme.
    • If you prefer to use Mac OS Extended (Journaled) instead of APFS, replace APFS with JHFS+ in the command.
  1. Press Enter to execute the command. You will be prompted to enter your administrator password.
  2. Enter your password and press Enter again. The Terminal will format your Samsung T7 drive according to your chosen settings.
  3. Once the formatting is complete, a success message will appear in Terminal


Oct 20, 2024 7:35 AM in response to Blue_The_Dog

Would you believe the T7 external has lost its searchability again? The speed issue seems to be okay now. Search in Finder always reverts to This Mac but the T7 shows nothing. Formatted AFPS, permissions set to Read & Write, Read only, Read only. Also T7 backup on Time Machine not searchable either? I don't get it Bluey.

Adding to Spotlight and removing, not fixed it.

Oct 20, 2024 8:17 AM in response to Kryten602

A few things to keep in mind and that may or may not be related to your problems:


1- When using any current macOS from 10.15 Catalina to the latest 15 Sequoia, SSDs should be formatted APFS. HDDs may also be formatted with APFS, but drive performance may be impacted. APFS really was designed to maximize the performance of SSDs.


2- Time Machine backups really should be the only thing kept on a backup drive. Storing miscellaneous user files on a backup drive risks those files and the computer backup when the drive fails. A Time Machine backup drive should be 2x to 3x the capacity of the drive(s) you will be backing up.


3- It is best practice to always have available as free space no less than about 15% of the startup drive's total capacity. This will allow the maOS the room it needs to operate properly without slowing it down. In other words, don't let the startup drive run short of available storage space; never less than 50GB, or so.



Oct 20, 2024 10:31 AM in response to Kryten602

What year and model is your Mac? Also, have you tried using another External Drive? Except for some formatting with Disk Utility, External Drives should be plug-in and go. I would suggest to check the cables on the T7. I have seen other discussions and the T7 has similar or worse problems on Macs and Macbooks.


Lastly, I know it's not convenient, but I would suggest transferring the information from the T7 to another External Drive something like a Sandisk Pro G-Drive or Crucial X9 Pro. If you have anymore updates please let me know!

Oct 20, 2024 8:45 AM in response to D.I. Johnson

Thank you D.I.

To summarise I have two external drives, a Samsung T7 1 TB SSD and a Seagate HDD 2 TB (Time Machine).

I re-formatted the T7 APFS which has improved access speed considerably and copied all my files across (approx. 200 GB) to it, so plenty of space there.

TM drive has about 1.7 TB of space left so okay there too. I did format it yesterday to Mac OS Extended which I think is recommended. Once I assigned it as the TM backup drive Time Machine app in preparing it formatted it again but to APFS. But speed seems okay for now.

But between last night and today Finder has stopped searching the T7.


See attached : Are you saying I shouldn't be including the T7 in the TM backup process?


Oct 20, 2024 10:17 AM in response to Blue_The_Dog

Well in my earlier post yesterday, after I finished formatting the T7 to APFS and copied all my work back onto it, the Finder search worked with .pdf or .ai or .indd for example and I thought great. Turned the Mac on this morning and tested it and no search on T7 or Time Machine drive which also includes a backup of T7.


It only seems capable of searching This Mac and not external drives. I have a feeling this problem started after upgrading from one OS to another but I can't remember which.

Finder Search not working plus Column view sooooo slow.

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