Time Machine mirrored by Trash folder

I am stumped. My wife has an old iMac, 2013 running Catalina. She couldn't empty the trash so I looked at it. The trash was full of Time Machine backups which I could not delete due to permissions. However when I simply ejected the Time Machine external hard drive the trash folder was empty within a minute. When I plug the TM disk back in the backups appear in the Trash folder again. Initially I just thought these were old TM backups because she didn't check the option to delete the trash after 30 days....but that's not the case. I even had an old TM machine hard drive of hers that I switched with the current one...and those backups also appeared in the trash folder. Never seen anything like this before. HELP!!

iMac 27″, macOS 15.1

Posted on Dec 17, 2024 3:45 PM

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Dec 18, 2024 1:42 AM in response to davidra

This all looks absolutely right


You can delete files from an External Drive and place them in the Trash


You can eject the drive and the Trash will appear as empty


You can reattach the same drive again and Presto - the Trash is full again


All normal behaviours


You see, the files in the Trash are Still ON the External Drive awaiting for user to Empty the Trash


In this specific case, I am 100% with the assessment of @den.thed


Cherry picked Time Machine Backup Snapshot to delete ?


Not a good idea as this may even corrupt the index files TM Backup uses


In so doing, ALL the TM Backup Snapshot maybe compromised to the extent All will be lost


Dec 22, 2024 6:02 PM in response to davidra

davidra wrote:

Disk manager is not letting me erase the disk. It can't be unmounted because it's in use. The trash folder did end up with the old files as expected. How can I reformat it in this situation?

Ignore my last post. I managed to erase the disk....there was a finder window open.

Good work! I'm glad to hear that you were able to work thru it and solve the original problem.

Dec 23, 2024 2:38 AM in response to davidra

Had what seemed a very similar issue yesterday. My drive was in use as a backup drive with Time Machine. But it kept appearing to have errors/failures which I could not resolve. Sometimes OK; sometimes not.


Could not erase on my M4 mini.

Took it across to my M1 MBP which also couldn't erase.

Plugged it into my old Windows machine and was able to delete the big partition.

Back to M4 mini, set up new APFS partition from Disk Utility. Appears to be OK now. But it did demand a password (or whatever they called it) for the drive - which I don't remember having to use when I first formatted it. And it would have been known to the M1 mini system I restored from in order to set up my M4 mini. So surely should have been somewhere inside the cloned system?


I feel lucky to have a Windows machine. Which is a very rare feeling.

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