Colorsync and ICC Profile Software, issues creating ICC profiles

Hello, This is a rather complex issue I suspect. I have an older i1studio color profiling tool I bought in 2019 and recently tried to update my color profile for my Epson Stylus Photo 2200 printer (oldie but a great printer, still works). I used the original software and it produced profiles which were no good. You can actually see a representation of the color profile in ColorSync and the new new profiles are VERY differently looking (much narrower) than the profiles I made for the printer in 2019. The OS has been updated. The mac is a iMac Retina Late 2015 running MacOS Monterey 12.7.3. The profiler is X-Rite i1Studio originally running x-rite's software, but I was able to get help from Calibrite who took over that product. They have a version of their software which is compatible with the older i1Studio device that I installed. I did a fresh install after uninstalling the older software as per their directions. The result was poor (very similar to the ICC made by the older software). When I installed their Windows version on my Windows 11 machine and made an ICM file (windows ICM, Mac ICC) the profile was good and the output of the printer was good, but the ICM was not compatible with the Mac. So today after giving this a rest for a week, I installed Calibrite software (CCStudio v1.1.4 XRD Version 3.0.152) on my new Mac Book Pro M1 Max 2021 running Monterey 12.3. It worked properly and the profile was fine, I put that profile on the older mac and it worked great.


So what is inhibiting my older Mac from properly producing a good profile with this same software, same device, same printer, same ink, etc. Clearly there is some little settings somewhere messing this process up. Thank you for your input.



Mike

iMac 27″, macOS 12.7

Posted on Jan 11, 2025 11:17 AM

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Posted on Jan 11, 2025 11:37 AM

Just for clarification, your device is one of these? X-Rite has never seemed to know what to do with that device. It was originally called a ColorMunki. Years ago, I had one of those. In independent lab testing, it was actually a very good spectrophotometer for the price, but the bundled software was wretched. Great at reading spot colors to get Lab/RGB values. But it created lousy monitor profiles, and much worse printer profiles. Sold it.


The ICM files do work. The Mac (or the third party apps) just don't recognize that extension. ICC and ICM profiles are actually the same thing. No idea why MS thought the extension should be ICM, and Apple ICC. All you need to do there is change the extension from .icm to .icc so the Mac will see and use it.


The difference with the same device, but different results on the separate OS platforms is the accompanying software. X-Rite has just never put a lot of work into the software (that's partly why it was much cheaper than, oh, an i1Pro 2). They've promoted the heck out of that hardware under multiple names over the years, but it's always been the neglected child.


Anyway, at least you figured out a hardware/software combo that works.

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Jan 11, 2025 11:37 AM in response to Aronis

Just for clarification, your device is one of these? X-Rite has never seemed to know what to do with that device. It was originally called a ColorMunki. Years ago, I had one of those. In independent lab testing, it was actually a very good spectrophotometer for the price, but the bundled software was wretched. Great at reading spot colors to get Lab/RGB values. But it created lousy monitor profiles, and much worse printer profiles. Sold it.


The ICM files do work. The Mac (or the third party apps) just don't recognize that extension. ICC and ICM profiles are actually the same thing. No idea why MS thought the extension should be ICM, and Apple ICC. All you need to do there is change the extension from .icm to .icc so the Mac will see and use it.


The difference with the same device, but different results on the separate OS platforms is the accompanying software. X-Rite has just never put a lot of work into the software (that's partly why it was much cheaper than, oh, an i1Pro 2). They've promoted the heck out of that hardware under multiple names over the years, but it's always been the neglected child.


Anyway, at least you figured out a hardware/software combo that works.

Jan 11, 2025 11:57 AM in response to Kurt Lang

Got similarly good results on Windows 11 machine and my MacBook Pro. The issue is running the software on the older 2015 mac. It's odd. I emailed Calibrite, they are pretty responsive to questions. There is some setting I have too clear or something. At least I verified that the device is still working correctly and can produce the ICC's if needed on the MacBook and transfer them. I am planning on M4 Ultra Studio upgrade soon and I now know the software works on the M processors and latest mac OS.


Mike

Jan 11, 2025 12:18 PM in response to Aronis

Good that you found a solution, though it took some hair pulling to do it by trying all kinds of combinations.


It's too bad there is almost no competition for X-Rite anymore. DataColor is the only one left with decent stuff. X-Rite bought out Gretag-MacBeth some years ago. Mostly to get ahold of their far superior hardware. As soon as they had it, all of X-Rite's hardware disappeared, and they put their logo on what was G-M's stuff.


The most annoying part of X-Rite's near monopoly is how quickly they sunset very expensive equipment. All in the name of getting you to purchase more very expensive newer equipment that is generally little different than what you already have. But gosh, the previous hardware just isn't supported any more in the latest software release. So you either spend more money unnecessarily, or you just keep using what you have with the last version of i1Profiler that supported it. And if it's older than that, you keep using your perfectly functional hardware on an older computer.

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