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Macair M1 on 13.0.1 keep getting spinning wheel of Death

This spinning wheel of death has appeared after 13.0.1 update. Nothing has changed and free disc space 107gb. Have re booted many times and disabled real time anti virus (TotalAV).

Anyone got any ideas, pleas?


Windows, Windows 10

Posted on Dec 4, 2022 2:23 AM

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Posted on Dec 4, 2022 7:37 AM

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There are no known Windows-like Viruses in the wild that self replicate and affect macOS, because of the underling UNIX  Foundation and Permission Limitation. 


Additionally, and specific to Big Sur macOS 11,  Monterey macOS 12, Ventura macOS 13, the Operating System resides in a Sealed and Read Only Volume that can not be opened by the User and protects against from “ Bad Actor “ Software.


The Only thing this Antivirus software is protecting is the Bank Account of the Developers and for zero return to the User aside from the problems this software creates.


AntiVirus Developers purposefully Market their product to create a “ Fear Factor “. In so doing, creating a False Need for their Product.


The The Built in Security  is all that is required to protect the computer.


Part 2 of 2


Any Third Party Applications that will interfere with the normal operation of the OS,  is an invitation for disaster and comprising the Operating System


Certain Applications maybe available on the Apple Apps Store - this only means the Developer is prepared to pay Apple a portion on each sale. What the Application may do to the computer is up to the User to check this out before purchase


Any of the below should be removed as per Developers Instructions


  Total AV 



Read some of the posting and arrive at your own conclusions.

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Dec 4, 2022 7:37 AM in response to johnjc14

Part 1 of 2


There are no known Windows-like Viruses in the wild that self replicate and affect macOS, because of the underling UNIX  Foundation and Permission Limitation. 


Additionally, and specific to Big Sur macOS 11,  Monterey macOS 12, Ventura macOS 13, the Operating System resides in a Sealed and Read Only Volume that can not be opened by the User and protects against from “ Bad Actor “ Software.


The Only thing this Antivirus software is protecting is the Bank Account of the Developers and for zero return to the User aside from the problems this software creates.


AntiVirus Developers purposefully Market their product to create a “ Fear Factor “. In so doing, creating a False Need for their Product.


The The Built in Security  is all that is required to protect the computer.


Part 2 of 2


Any Third Party Applications that will interfere with the normal operation of the OS,  is an invitation for disaster and comprising the Operating System


Certain Applications maybe available on the Apple Apps Store - this only means the Developer is prepared to pay Apple a portion on each sale. What the Application may do to the computer is up to the User to check this out before purchase


Any of the below should be removed as per Developers Instructions


  Total AV 



Read some of the posting and arrive at your own conclusions.

Dec 4, 2022 8:23 AM in response to johnjc14

A spinning beachball indicates the applications is not servicing its event queue in a timely manor (cursor motion, keyboard entry, clicks, etc...)


This generally means the app has made an operating system request that has not returned in a timely manor so that the app can get back to servicing the event queue.


Or some other process is interfering with the app in someway to cause it to be slow in getting back to its event queue.


Some possibilities.


  • An external device interfering with the I/O bus.
  • A network request that is stalling.
  • A file system request that is stalled.
  • An anti-virus package that intercepts every file system and network I/O and spends time examining the data in the I/O looking for malware, and getting back logged such that all the apps are stalled waiting for the A/V package.
  • I/O to an external device that is not responding.
  • An app or background process that consuming so much CPU that it stalls other processes.
  • An app or background process that is monopolizing file system or network I/O so that other apps are delayed in having their I/O satisfied.


If it is just 1 app, then it could be a poorly written app that maybe is phoning home, and home is not being responsive (such as checking to see if there is a new version; a common phone home activity).


If it is any app across the board, then it is most likely some other app or background process interference or failing hardware.

Dec 4, 2022 8:15 AM in response to johnjc14

Your footer here shows Windows, but mentions the beachball wait cursor typical of macOS performance issues, and a version not (yet?) used for Windows.


I’ll assume this is macOS, and not Windows.


If you want to discuss the slowdown further, download and run EtreCheck, and share the report to the clipboard. Then open a new reply here, and press the Additional Text button—the button that looks like a printed page—and paste the hardware and software configuration report into the big text box, and post the report here.


Too often, these issues are due to the add-on “security” app, or the add-on “cleaner” app, or the other “maintenance “ apps loaded, that make a Mac less stable and too often less secure, and that also sometimes allow the vendors involved access into your data; into your web browsing and purchase history for re-sale, as has happened with some well-known vendors. And these add-ons can can cause performance issues and corruptions, and can cause beachballing.


There can be other causes, of course. A Mac that is simply under-configured for its current load can beachball, too.

Macair M1 on 13.0.1 keep getting spinning wheel of Death

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