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External hard drive won't free up space after deleting files.

As above really. My WD external hard drive is 1 TB in size. It 'told' me that it could not complete a backup of Time Machine as there was not enough room. I deleted old copies of Time Machine (I thought TM did this automatically, but never mind) to leave lots of space. But TM backup still states it needs more space. What do I do? Any ideas?


I have the latest version of Monterey.

Posted on Feb 25, 2022 10:50 AM

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Posted on Mar 1, 2022 9:47 AM

barneyhairball wrote:

Yes, I see what you mean by Enter Time Machine. But Control-click does not give the option of Delete all backups ...


I can think of only one valid reason to do that: one might, for example, wish to delete all existing copies of some sensitive information wherever they may reside. Deleting files from an encrypted source volume takes care of them, but backup copies will remain on backup device(s) until TM decides it requires more space. If you "delete all backups of <...>" it takes care of them, in addition to all earlier versions of that item.


It does take a lot of time. In such circumstances it generally makes more sense to simply erase the entire backup drive. Encrypted copies cannot be resurrected.

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Mar 1, 2022 9:47 AM in response to barneyhairball

barneyhairball wrote:

Yes, I see what you mean by Enter Time Machine. But Control-click does not give the option of Delete all backups ...


I can think of only one valid reason to do that: one might, for example, wish to delete all existing copies of some sensitive information wherever they may reside. Deleting files from an encrypted source volume takes care of them, but backup copies will remain on backup device(s) until TM decides it requires more space. If you "delete all backups of <...>" it takes care of them, in addition to all earlier versions of that item.


It does take a lot of time. In such circumstances it generally makes more sense to simply erase the entire backup drive. Encrypted copies cannot be resurrected.

Feb 25, 2022 4:56 PM in response to barneyhairball

The short answer is that you will need to erase that TM backup drive, but before you do that back out of that first screenshot that shows the contents of "MacBook Air":


Next, open that Backups.backupdb folder. It should contain one and only one folder within it, bearing the name of the Mac it's backing up.


Since that screenshot only shows the contents of "MacBook Air" I cannot be certain it is the only folder within Backups.backupdb. If there is another folder within it, that would be the redundant one I speculated might be present. Collapse the "reveal triangle" adjacent to "MacBook Air" to determine if another backup of that Mac is present, under a different name.


If that's the case, you would need to erase the drive anyway because Time Machine "owns" that drive and everything in it.


It gets worse though, because if you manually erased backups using the Finder (which is not clear to me yet) it's very likely the TM database was rendered invalid and and unusable for purposes of restoring an entire system. At best it should be considered unreliable, and an unreliable backup is worse than none at all.


So, my recommendation is to obtain another TM backup drive, create a new backup with it, then erase the existing drive. Not only are external drives inexpensive, one and only one backup device isn't a robust backup strategy anyway. A 2 TB drive will cost only a few dollars more than a 1 TB drive. Time Machine will back up to both of them — or as many additional drives as you may want to give it — in a "rotation" fashion. If one backup drive isn't available, it skips to the next one, and so forth.


By the way get rid of any Western Digital's drive "manager" or "utility" software that they are fond of bundling with their products. They are not required, and using them has been known (in the distant past) to have corrupted perfectly good drives. I mention that only because there is a mounted "WD Apps" volume on that Mac. The first thing anyone should do with any external drive is to format it with Disk Utility. That accomplishes two objectives: it prepares the drive for use with your Mac, and it gets rid of the junk software that may be on it.

Feb 25, 2022 1:32 PM in response to barneyhairball

Hi again, Here are a few shots with captions.


Here is shot of Disk Utility. My ext HD is called BLACK - TM backups - My Passport for Mac. Lots of space is taken up by one saved backup and one in progress. Please see the 2nd shot following this.





Here is a shot of one previous/saved TM backup and one in progress. As up until earlier today when I deleted years of old TM backups, how come these two aforementioned ones are taking up so much space? I'm sure I never saw such a lot of files for the backups I deleted.The 3rd shot above shows presumably 3/4 of the space taken up by the 2 backups. Considering I deleted about 15 backups of my system, it shows how much is being taken up now. Sorry to repeat myself.


Can you help?

Feb 26, 2022 3:06 AM in response to John Galt

Hi John. Still trying to digest ur reply so forgive me for sending more screen shots. I do this quickly just in case you live on the other side of the world and are just going to bed.


What does 'back out of that first screenshot that shows the contents of "MacBook Air' mean? It is a communication thing no doubt. That's why I've sent you my new 3 shots. One shot follows the next when I click to open them:


NB, 'MacBook Air' open after I click on Backups.backupdb. The 3rd shot shows far more files than I've ever seen previously, that's why I am thinking that they are filling up my 1TB of ext HDD; it's just a guess.





Sorry, here are 2 more shots. The first shows MacBook Air before I click on it (so if I've got you right, it is alone) to reveal what appears when I do click on it. Am I backing up too much or do I need to back up everything so that I can use TM to restore the whole machine in case I need to? Sorry, another question, but I can't find the answer in Communities.





Another shot:


The blue line is the type of line that I have deleted; it wasn't complicated for me, I just right clicked and deleted them (I deleted lots of blue lines that were individual backups going back a few years). Surely that's the right thing to do, is it not?


Feb 25, 2022 11:30 AM in response to barneyhairball

Sometimes, a change in your Mac's name or similar circumstance may result in a separate Time Machine backup that you are no longer using. You may or may not need to obtain a larger capacity backup drive, so before drawing that conclusion investigate the following.


Open the Time Machine backup drive in the Finder to examine its contents, but do not alter them. If that TM backup drive is dedicated exclusively for that Mac's backups, there should be one and only one item at its root level. It should be named Backups.backupdb. Is that what yours shows?


Next, open that Backups.backupdb folder. It should contain one and only one folder within it, bearing the name of the Mac it's backing up. Is that what yours shows?


Once again, do not alter any of that drive's contents. If you do that (or if you already altered its contents by erasing files or folders), then you should erase the TM backup drive completely.

Feb 25, 2022 12:10 PM in response to John Galt

Via call to Support I set up a new User ID for me the Administrator. I have still kept my previous ID User as per advice to ensure the new one is ok. Apart from the above issue it seems fine. But could this be an issue for my external drive? It hasn't stated anything in relation to my ID.


My 1 TB is more than enough storage on my ext drive. I had years of TM backups and when I saw the alert I just deleted lots and so therefore was surprised to see the alert of not enough space.


At present Disk Utility seem to be struck in the First Aid process so possibly it has found an issue, but not telling me yet. As it is stuck I can either get out of it or leave it alone. But with leaving it alone I can't examine its contents like you advice. But the only things that I last saw on the ext HD is 'Backups.backupdb' (unsure of the db part, but the rest stood out) and my last TM backup.


Regarding your last sentence about not deleting files; I'm afraid I have already done that because as per the alert, I needed more space. Apart from that I haven't altered anything else.


Can you advise how I delete the TM backup drive? I certainly don't want to delete anything that cud make the drive not function. Any advice would be good. NB, whilst I've been typing this I checked the Disk Utility and it has processed slightly.



Feb 27, 2022 3:38 PM in response to barneyhairball

I still recommend erasing that backup drive, after getting a replacement of course. The reason is that deleting backup folders in that manner using the Finder is supposed to work, but often results in corrupting the TM backup database.


The reason that happens is unclear to me, so I can only speculate it occurs because deleting folders using the Finder can take a long time. As in, hours. What may happen is people get impatient and unplug the drive, or shut down the Mac, etc. Even then it's not supposed to corrupt the database, but the practice I recommend is to delete backups only through the Time Machine interface: "Enter Time Machine", then control-click the backup file you want to delete, and select "Delete all backups of..." the file. That works reliably.

External hard drive won't free up space after deleting files.

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