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Files on External Drive

Hello,


I have an external drive that I periodically attach to my MacBook Pro (running Big Sur) which is used exclusively for backing up photos. It has been formatted as ExFat since I also have a Win 10 laptop and would like the option of sharing should there be a need. My question is regarding files saved to this drive, specifically ones with a ._ prefix. I understand these are created by the Mac and store Extended Attributes (EA) in turn Finder hides these files, which helps significantly . However, when attached to a Windows laptop they are fully visible in addition to the original file. As a example on Windows I would see FILEABC also ._FILEABC in the same folder.


I simple wanted to ask should I leave these files alone (which is ok) at the risk of causing problems for the Mac or the original file? Or can these ._ files safely be removed without consequence, which would only be for a "cleaner look" and maybe to free up space?


Thanks for any thoughts.

Posted on Nov 29, 2022 1:12 PM

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Posted on Nov 30, 2022 8:16 AM

You should leave them undisturbed. I know it's an annoyance to see them on Windows but removing them could potentially cause problems on your Mac if/when you reconnect the drive to your Mac.


BTW, the ._xyz files are not Extended Attributes; they are what's known as a resource fork, something inherent in UNIX-based systems like macOS. macOS preserves the content of the otherwise invisible resource forks by writing them as files when you copy to a Windows-formatted disk like exFAT.


If this is a disk that you normally use on your Mac for backup purposes, it would be preferable to use a Mac-formatted disk (APFS if it's an SSD; MacOS Extended Journaled if it's an HDD). Note that you cannot just "change" the format of a disk, you would have to erase & reformat, so an additional backup on another drive would be necessary before reformatting that disk.

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Nov 30, 2022 8:16 AM in response to ttonnis

You should leave them undisturbed. I know it's an annoyance to see them on Windows but removing them could potentially cause problems on your Mac if/when you reconnect the drive to your Mac.


BTW, the ._xyz files are not Extended Attributes; they are what's known as a resource fork, something inherent in UNIX-based systems like macOS. macOS preserves the content of the otherwise invisible resource forks by writing them as files when you copy to a Windows-formatted disk like exFAT.


If this is a disk that you normally use on your Mac for backup purposes, it would be preferable to use a Mac-formatted disk (APFS if it's an SSD; MacOS Extended Journaled if it's an HDD). Note that you cannot just "change" the format of a disk, you would have to erase & reformat, so an additional backup on another drive would be necessary before reformatting that disk.

Nov 30, 2022 2:10 PM in response to ttonnis

The format to use for your TM backup drive depends on the version of macOS that you are running. You posted here in the Big Sur community, so assuming you are on Big Sur, you should use APFS even if you are using an HDD for TM.


Here is more information about it from Apple -> Types of disks you can use with Time Machine on Mac - Apple Support Be sure to select your version of macOS.


(The advice to refrain from using APFS on hard drives pertains mostly to the effect APFS has on hard drive performance. It's not really an issue with TM backups but can be if you need maximum performance out of the hard drive if, for example, you are doing photo, video or audio media work. APFS is optimized for SSD's but certainly can be used on HDD's.)


Nov 30, 2022 2:15 AM in response to ttonnis

I'd dedicate a whole backup SSD to Mac backups and use APFS and let Time Machine set it up from scratch. I prefer Carbon Copy Cloner for backups but Time Machine is also OK.


Notice that some Apple's apps (Photos, FCP, Compressor etc) don't work well or at all on non-Mac formats so use APFS (SSD) or Mac OS Extended (Journaled) (HDD) and use FAT, exFAT or NTFS only for sharing a cross-platform volume. And stick to the Disk Utility and uninstall any 3rd party disk software unless you really need it.


macOS might be picky about exFAT specifics do usually it is best to format it on the Mac although in my experience the default Windows format should also work. I am not certain about GUID vs MBR. I presumed GUID should be preferred (formatted on macOS 12 Monterey) but with it only a small portion of 128 GB flash drive was recognized on Windows 10 while with MBR all space was seen also in Windows 10.

Nov 30, 2022 9:38 AM in response to MartinR

Thanks for your reply MartinR, your answer is exactly what my thoughts were as I posted the message. Although they are definitely an annoyance to see on a Windows machine. I completely agree it's best to leave them untouched, my feeling was removing them could potentially impact them on my Mac. This is why as suggested I will leave them with the original file without the ._ prefix. As to this drive it is used only to store photos, on occasion I might share it with my Win 10 laptop, thus the reason I choose ExFat.


I have a separate dedicated WD My Passport drive that I will be using only for Time Machine backup. I saw comments & even only articles indicating that the TM drive (which is HDD not SSD) should be formatted as APFS for the best performance/results. Would this be advisable?



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